I’m Giving Gel Stain Another Chance
I’ve taken a detour in the living room and entryway refresh that I hadn’t planned on, and I had even said outright that I didn’t want to do. But in the end, I blame this on y’all. š I was fully prepared to paint the console table in the entryway, but I had said explicitly that I didn’t want to refinish it. The whole thing is waxed, so in order to refinish it with stain, that meant that I’d have to strip it and redo it. And that leads me to another problem. I built this thing out of cheap pine, and I generally don’t like the look of stained pine. That’s why it’s waxed in the first place.
But then my idea of painting it was pretty much overruled by the comments suggesting that I leave it a natural wood finish. I was prepared to do that at first, but the more I looked at it, the more I hated this splotchy orange finish.
And then I remembered that when I refinished the piano in our music room, the wood on that piano wasn’t all the same color once I had all of the pieces stripped. But the stain that I used on it, which was a wiping stain instead of a penetrating stain, did a phenomenal job at making the whole thing look one cohesive color. I couldn’t remember the name of the brand, but I knew I got it at my local Benjamin Moore store.
So on Friday afternoon, I headed to Benjamin Moore to see if they thought that stain would work on my previously waxed console table. And during the course of our conversation, the man who was helping me (and who seemed to have a lot of experience with staining) recommended that I use a gel stain instead of a wiping stain.
I’ve used gel stain before, and I absolutely hated it. I used whatever brand they sell at Home Depot, and I remember it drying too quickly, getting sticky too quickly, all of my brush strokes showing, and the color being way too dark anywhere my brush strokes would overlap. After that experience, I swore off of gel stain years ago and haven’t tried it since.
But he was recommending Old Masters gel stain, which is the same brand of wiping stain that I had used on the piano with such great success. He also gave me some great tips, like using just a little bit of Penetrol in the gel stain to keep it from drying too quickly. So I decided to give gel stain another try. This is what I left the store with.
He suggested that I wipe the whole thing down with acetone to remove any excess wax, but of course, I was too anxious to try out the gel stain that I skipped that step. (I’m not the best at being patient and following instructions.) So I tried out the gel stain on the end of the console table. I wasn’t thrilled with it, but I figured that I just needed practice. What I did love is that this product is totally different from the gel stain I used years ago. It stays very workable for a long time. No quick drying. No stickiness. It’s very easy to use.
And then I decided to try it out on a drawer front. It definitely toned down the orange, but I didn’t want to put it on too thick because I don’t want the color too dark, so the splotchiness from the original finish was still showing through.
At this point, I was doubting my decision and reconsidering the idea of painting the whole thing, which I’m still not ruling out completely. Here’s a comparison of the drawer (missing its trim) with the original finish, and the drawer with the gel stain. The gel stained drawer is better, but it’s still not what I want.
So I decided to put the stain aside for a bit while I think about my options, and move on to the other change I wanted to make to the console table (also based on your suggestions). I removed the bottom shelf. But because of the way I built the piece, now I’m left with legs in two pieces. I’m not sure if I’m going to try to repair those, or if I’m going to replace them altogether.
Basically, I’m making this up as I go along. I have my doubts that four turned wood legs on their own will be strong and stable enough to hold the weight of the console with the drawers, so I might try to design a totally new base that has more support.
Like I said, I’m making it up as I go along. But I do think I’ll like it much better without the bottom shelf. And since I don’t like the gel stain on top of the original orange, splotchy finish, I’m going to go ahead and paint the whole thing in a light brown color that doesn’t have any orange in it, and then I’m going to try the gel stain over the new color to see if I can create a stained wood look that way.
I have no idea if this is going to work out, but I’m going to try. If all else fails, I can always go back to the idea of painting the whole thing. But if you have any experience in using gel stain over a painted finish to create the look of stained wood, I’d love to hear your tips! I’m going to give it a try, but if this doesn’t work, I’ll be swearing off of gel stain forever.
UPDATE: Instead of turned wood legs, I’m thinking about doing a very simple base with straight legs that would allow me to add support between the legs on the sides and the back. It would look something like this.
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Did you use the Penetrol with your gel? Also, Iām wondering if you are sabotaging yourself by not taking his suggestion to use the acetone beforehand in order to just paint the whole thing like you want to do.
I agree- follow the directions of the product for the best outcome. I do love the mock up with the straight legs and minimal side and back support!
This! I would try wiping down one drawer or the other side to see if itās any different than your first attempt without taking that step.
Your proposed legs look great!
My thought from the beginning is if you still plan to refinish the floors to a lighter tone, painting the cabinet would look better. I know whatever you choose will look beautiful.
A dilemma, for sure. About the leg design: the stick-like leg idea looks like the console is on stilts. Just not visually weighty enough to balance the top.
As for the console itself: I still think painting it is the better idea. It would look better showing a smooth surface rather than a grainy one. You could match the color to be whatever you wish it to be. You have a dead-eye gift for doing that.
Happy play time.
Just this weekend, I saw a YouTuber use retique it, then the gel stain over that. This might alleviate the splotchiness you have, and would definitely get rid of the orange. I didn’t realize you could use a gel stain over retique it, but it’s now on my to-try list!
I like the straight legs, but they need to be larger. Right now they match the drawer trim but that isn’t substantial enough for a base. Try your mockup with a larger dimension wood.
I can’t believe you skipped the acetone wipe step. You said the guy knew what he was doing, and you ignored him! Shame on you. You are usually so particular about the details!
To be clear, the acetone was just to remove the wax. When I told him that it was an old piece and barely had any wax on it, he wasn’t even sure if I’d need it. Sometimes waxed pieces (especially done by DIYers) have a lot of wax on them. This one doesn’t. But it’s not the wax that’s giving this piece the orange color. It’s the stain under the wax that’s orange. No amount of acetone is going to get rid of that, and I’m not going to spend time stripping this finish off when I know the wood underneath is cheap and isn’t even pretty.
I cant believe youre trying to shame her for being there and knowing more about it than we do. šš
You could leave the turned legs and do cross members (instead of a shelf) both between each of the pairs of legs and then across the length of the console table. You could maybe even use a turned cross member across the length.
Similar to this: https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/east-urban-home-french-retro-sideboard-w116520501.html
I still like the wood console and hope you can get the color to a point that you like. I love the legs on the Wayfair console with the cross brace on the bottom. I forgot that the floor will be lightened to natural so a little darker wood would be good.The lamps look great.
Oh! I like this option! You’ve still got the chonky legs but with the extra support.
I love that! And my turned legs are already cut, so I can just add blocks where the shelf used to be so that I can attach the cross members to the new blocks that I’ll insert. Brilliant idea! Thank you!
Great idea! I don’t like the skinny legs in the mockup. To me, it looks like they would snap with the weight of the upper piece! Something like a block and tackle iron piece would also look cool with the turned legs. Years ago, (like 40?) I recall doing a gel stain over paint, but I used a woodgraining tool to make wood grains in the gel stain. It was okay, but not realistic looking. I sold the piece at a garage sale!
Kristi I’ve used gel stain with wonderful success. Fair is fair and it’s not fair to put the responsibility of the failed gel stain on your readers when you did not follow the man’s suggestions. He was very experienced and very possibly it might have worked. You knew the wax was on your console and truly should have been wiped down. Maybe you can use acetone on another small area and see if it might help. Please don’t give up on gel stain quite yet.
I cant believe youre trying to shame her for being there and knowing more about it than we do. šš
Yes, definitely, go back and follow the directions you were given; especially since the guy was knowledgeable and shared that information with you. Just try wiping an area with the acetone before working on it. As you said, if it doesn’t work you can still go the paint route. And I agree with the others, the legs now seem too light, too spindly for the weight of the upper portion. It needs something more substantial. You probably have scrap pieces in the workshop that you could use to help visualize the balance. Your color choice is much better. Keep going, you’ll get there.
I haven’t used Old Masters gel stain, but I have used General Finishes. What I have found is that it takes more than one coat to get an even finish. It may take three or four light coats, maybe even five. Since you have removed the bottom shelf anyway. you might try practicing on it. It may simply be easier to paint the whole thing, especially since it is pine. Just my two cent’s worth, which is probably what it’s worth! Love your blog, I look forward to it every morning!
I would suggest trying a toner to even out the variation in color, this is a great article about options and how it’s used. https://www.woodmagazine.com/woodworking-how-to/finishes-finishing/wood-toning-101
Holly crap…I would be going crazy…you are so much better than me…š¤£ I guess I would already be painting it the color of my choice…and I know I would love it anyway. I do like the one the lady posted for thousand of dollars…not as nice as yours, but the legs are quite nice. I would still paint it, but I know you still might anyway. Best wishes.
Sorry, Holy crap!
I’ve used gel stain on three pre-finished white floating shelves. Although it took a couple of weeks to cure, they turned out nice.
Kristi, I know you gain ideas from people giving you their comments and it is the give and take of your online work, but today I am commenting on the freedom people feel to speak their mind. Obviously, you have thicker skin than I. The comment “Shame on you,” Really? Would you shame Kristi to her face? Comments scolding you or claiming you maneuvered to get what you really wanted to do. Suggestions and sharing ideas is one thing. Rudeness is another and it takes away from the fun of reading comments. I can get enough coarseness from the news. please people tone it down.
I so agree and kinda said the same thing. Kristi was the one talking to the man and knows more about the whole conversation than any of us do. Gees people……šš
Here, here !!
Just my 2 cents
When staining pine you should always use a wood conditioner. It evens out the color. It will make the stain work so much better.
Good luck, I am sure it will be beautiful when finished.
First, the new leg idea is terrific. It will look outstanding!
Next, before doing all that complicated painting + staining, take ONE drawer, use acetone on it to remove the wax, let it dry as directed, then try the gel stain. DO the experiment. Then figure out your next approach to getting the look that you want. Don’t skip this part first.
Maybe on another drawer try the acetone like the guy said and see if there is any difference. I really like the turned legs you had on it much better than the straight skinny legs.
Sometimes your brain pushes the limits of symmetry, and perfection and other times it says āletās just skip this stepā and I get whiplash!!
What the heck would it have cost you to wipe an area (the shelf you planned to take off) with acetone and proceed like the Fella said?
Immediate gratification isnāt always what itās cracked up to be.
You work so hard. If you want to paint it, paint it.
I have used gel stain (General Finishes brand) succcessfully over paint..no one could tell. A couple light coats is better than wiping it on too heavily.
Also, don’t get impatient…let the first coat dry COMPLETELY before applying the second.
I cant believe the nerve of some people here today, I’ve never seen so many rude comments on this page…..ever before. Geesh people.
Wow – so many keyboard interior decorators showing up today!! I know Kristi asks for opinions…but can we please be courteous?
Your opinion….is just that. Your opinion. If you have nothing good to say…then don’t say it.
Kristi, did you consider laminate for the console. You could get closer to the color you want. Maybe less work in the long run.
Kristi did a beautiful job with walnut veneer for her bathroom cabinets. I think that might be a good option for her if she wants to go that route.